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		<title>By: Dvize</title>
		<link>http://desktopmag.com.au/blogs/climate-redesign-2010-call-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5741</link>
		<dc:creator>Dvize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come along to the launch of Climate ReDesign, to share ideas, meet people, drink on a Tuesday night - bring your laptop and open-mind...

We will be officially launching the project and tide of ideas and people which will climax with the main event on the 17th of July at Donkey Wheel House and an exhibition. (So put that in your diary too. We have some great prizes up for grabs including a keg of sustainable craft beer.)

Free event, 630pm @ The Order of Melbourne, 401 Swanston St. 
More info on this event 
http://www.bindarri.com.au/redesign/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come along to the launch of Climate ReDesign, to share ideas, meet people, drink on a Tuesday night &#8211; bring your laptop and open-mind&#8230;</p>
<p>We will be officially launching the project and tide of ideas and people which will climax with the main event on the 17th of July at Donkey Wheel House and an exhibition. (So put that in your diary too. We have some great prizes up for grabs including a keg of sustainable craft beer.)</p>
<p>Free event, 630pm @ The Order of Melbourne, 401 Swanston St.<br />
More info on this event<br />
<a href="http://www.bindarri.com.au/redesign/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bindarri.com.au/redesign/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://desktopmag.com.au/blogs/climate-redesign-2010-call-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5734</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 00:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol...

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/7115/Laugh-Riot-190year-climate-tipping-point-issued--Despite-fact-that-UN-began-10Year-Climate-Tipping-Point-in-1989</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climatedepot.com/a/7115/Laugh-Riot-190year-climate-tipping-point-issued--Despite-fact-that-UN-began-10Year-Climate-Tipping-Point-in-1989" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatedepot.com/a/7115/Laugh-Riot-190year-climate-tipping-point-issued&#8211;Despite-fact-that-UN-began-10Year-Climate-Tipping-Point-in-1989</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://desktopmag.com.au/blogs/climate-redesign-2010-call-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5447</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 07:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smirk

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100044445/climate-change-sceptics-have-smaller-members-uglier-wives-dumber-kids-says-new-study-made-up-by-warmists/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smirk</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100044445/climate-change-sceptics-have-smaller-members-uglier-wives-dumber-kids-says-new-study-made-up-by-warmists/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100044445/climate-change-sceptics-have-smaller-members-uglier-wives-dumber-kids-says-new-study-made-up-by-warmists/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://desktopmag.com.au/blogs/climate-redesign-2010-call-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5342</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an extremely concerned citizen and receive no payments from anyone for my views or actions on this issue or any other social justice issue.

I had a brief look at your Climategate link, there was one comment that appeared correct, “skeptics will call the investigation a whitewash”, well, yep, glad we could agree on something.

Climategate showed the top 3 climate universities in Europe, America and England, colluding with each other to lie, pre-meditatively hiding the decline in temperatures over the last decade, manipulating temperature data, disobeying Freedom of Information Request orders to release data, deleting data and conspiring to limit the publication of opposing views in scientific journals and publications, there was also the release notes for their climate model software which explained how to rig the results. Someone was a hero for obtaining and releasing the information and the fraudsters got caught red handed!

You didn’t respond to the link I sent you to the petition signed by 31000 scientists who agree that “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth&#039;s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth&#039;s climate. “

31000 in America alone vs. the dozens of scientists who signed the IPCC report, that’s a big difference even for the number manipulators of the AGW fraudsters, the majority agree, there is census, lies always fall apart!

All those scientists sacked, silenced and ridiculed by the manipulation of the Climategate scientists are angry men and are working furiously on their reports, more are going to appear every day!

The people are waking up, I see it every day and we will redouble our efforts to bring all of the facts into the open so the truth will prevail and we can bring any wrong doers to justice.

You know what the great news is, there is a Climategate 2 brewing, I think it is just weeks away : ))))))))))

Stay tuned....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an extremely concerned citizen and receive no payments from anyone for my views or actions on this issue or any other social justice issue.</p>
<p>I had a brief look at your Climategate link, there was one comment that appeared correct, “skeptics will call the investigation a whitewash”, well, yep, glad we could agree on something.</p>
<p>Climategate showed the top 3 climate universities in Europe, America and England, colluding with each other to lie, pre-meditatively hiding the decline in temperatures over the last decade, manipulating temperature data, disobeying Freedom of Information Request orders to release data, deleting data and conspiring to limit the publication of opposing views in scientific journals and publications, there was also the release notes for their climate model software which explained how to rig the results. Someone was a hero for obtaining and releasing the information and the fraudsters got caught red handed!</p>
<p>You didn’t respond to the link I sent you to the petition signed by 31000 scientists who agree that “There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth&#8217;s climate. “</p>
<p>31000 in America alone vs. the dozens of scientists who signed the IPCC report, that’s a big difference even for the number manipulators of the AGW fraudsters, the majority agree, there is census, lies always fall apart!</p>
<p>All those scientists sacked, silenced and ridiculed by the manipulation of the Climategate scientists are angry men and are working furiously on their reports, more are going to appear every day!</p>
<p>The people are waking up, I see it every day and we will redouble our efforts to bring all of the facts into the open so the truth will prevail and we can bring any wrong doers to justice.</p>
<p>You know what the great news is, there is a Climategate 2 brewing, I think it is just weeks away : ))))))))))</p>
<p>Stay tuned&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dvize</title>
		<link>http://desktopmag.com.au/blogs/climate-redesign-2010-call-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5168</link>
		<dc:creator>Dvize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 00:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;criminality for the enslavement of humanity&quot; ... mmm we forgot to add that to our goals... thanks for reminding me. 

again your posts lack any evidence, or references to your outlandish claims....

and the climategate thing... as your argument lacks any science or facts you resort to blowing one minor  incident into a massive conspiracy and global fraud... 

again read some facts...
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climategate-CRU-emails-hacked.htm

&quot;It must really grate on you that it is a genuine grass roots movement &quot;

you still have not said &quot;whats in this for you&quot;. Until then i believe you are paid PR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;criminality for the enslavement of humanity&#8221; &#8230; mmm we forgot to add that to our goals&#8230; thanks for reminding me. </p>
<p>again your posts lack any evidence, or references to your outlandish claims&#8230;.</p>
<p>and the climategate thing&#8230; as your argument lacks any science or facts you resort to blowing one minor  incident into a massive conspiracy and global fraud&#8230; </p>
<p>again read some facts&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climategate-CRU-emails-hacked.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climategate-CRU-emails-hacked.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;It must really grate on you that it is a genuine grass roots movement &#8221;</p>
<p>you still have not said &#8220;whats in this for you&#8221;. Until then i believe you are paid PR</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://desktopmag.com.au/blogs/climate-redesign-2010-call-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5148</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I don’t believe the lies pushed by the main stream media and big money, my understanding is that the temperatures have declined, and this fact was covered up by the University of East Anglia as part of the Climategate scandal...hence hide the decline....nice tune though...can you admit that?

Peer review, what a joke, refer to Climategate and the emails between parties conspiring to manipulate the peer review process, there is no science, it has been made up, data falsified and deliberately mis-interpreted, maybe you should have a look into that.

If AGW Skeptics are getting paid.....where’s my money??????????????

It must really grate on you that it is a genuine grass roots movement and we arnt buying your BS, all the more so because that means it is unstoppable!

Thanks for the enlightening debate, I think visitors to this page will get a good view of both sides, do the research people...form your own opinion, don’t believe the hype!

As for this Climate Redesign propaganda campaign... pushing lies, fabrications, perpetuating fraud and criminality for the enslavement of humanity, shame on you...shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I don’t believe the lies pushed by the main stream media and big money, my understanding is that the temperatures have declined, and this fact was covered up by the University of East Anglia as part of the Climategate scandal&#8230;hence hide the decline&#8230;.nice tune though&#8230;can you admit that?</p>
<p>Peer review, what a joke, refer to Climategate and the emails between parties conspiring to manipulate the peer review process, there is no science, it has been made up, data falsified and deliberately mis-interpreted, maybe you should have a look into that.</p>
<p>If AGW Skeptics are getting paid&#8230;..where’s my money??????????????</p>
<p>It must really grate on you that it is a genuine grass roots movement and we arnt buying your BS, all the more so because that means it is unstoppable!</p>
<p>Thanks for the enlightening debate, I think visitors to this page will get a good view of both sides, do the research people&#8230;form your own opinion, don’t believe the hype!</p>
<p>As for this Climate Redesign propaganda campaign&#8230; pushing lies, fabrications, perpetuating fraud and criminality for the enslavement of humanity, shame on you&#8230;shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Dvize</title>
		<link>http://desktopmag.com.au/blogs/climate-redesign-2010-call-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5132</link>
		<dc:creator>Dvize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 05:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;AGW Skeptic movement is not government or corporate funded&quot;

ha ha ha 

yeah right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;AGW Skeptic movement is not government or corporate funded&#8221;</p>
<p>ha ha ha </p>
<p>yeah right</p>
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		<title>By: Dvize</title>
		<link>http://desktopmag.com.au/blogs/climate-redesign-2010-call-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5131</link>
		<dc:creator>Dvize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 05:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I had a bit of a look at the websites you have put forward; they are childish and use the most basic of deception techniques.&quot;

ahem... you mean they use peer reviewed science instead of pictures of hilter and bloodied knives... 

they are clearly more childish than the very professional: http://www.climatedepot.com/

a fun as the youtube maybe they have the missed the point. Temperatures have risen the past decade... unless you don&#039;t believe in mainsteam science.

you really need to look at those sites i sent in more detail.... the reason we have skeptics is because they either &quot;had a bit of a look at the science&quot; (rather than indepth analysis) or they are paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I had a bit of a look at the websites you have put forward; they are childish and use the most basic of deception techniques.&#8221;</p>
<p>ahem&#8230; you mean they use peer reviewed science instead of pictures of hilter and bloodied knives&#8230; </p>
<p>they are clearly more childish than the very professional: <a href="http://www.climatedepot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatedepot.com/</a></p>
<p>a fun as the youtube maybe they have the missed the point. Temperatures have risen the past decade&#8230; unless you don&#8217;t believe in mainsteam science.</p>
<p>you really need to look at those sites i sent in more detail&#8230;. the reason we have skeptics is because they either &#8220;had a bit of a look at the science&#8221; (rather than indepth analysis) or they are paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://desktopmag.com.au/blogs/climate-redesign-2010-call-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5130</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 04:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem Glenn, Always happy to make a contribution, particularly when the issue at hand is so important. 

I represent myself, as an independent part of the exponentially growing global truth movement. I own a web development company that has been published in Desktop so we get Desktop communications, not sure where it came from, my business partner forwarded the link to the blog post as he knew I like to do my best to educate people on this critical issue.

Yeah, Andrew Bolt and the Herald Sun, I have zero respect for the Herald Sun and previously for Andrew Bolt, but his work on exposing Climategate has been exceptional and when the AGW facade comes crashing down he will have been part of the solution whereby others will be seen to have been part of the problem.

I had a bit of a look at the websites you have put forward; they are childish and use the most basic of deception techniques.

They would if they could, the reason the government is not prosecuting PR companies is because they are not involved. I would welcome it going to court, we need to get all of the facts into the open, all we want is the truth.

The truth movement and the AGW Skeptic movement is not government or corporate funded, it is genuine grass roots as concerned citizens recognise the danger of extreme corruption and the scale of the impact this crime will have on all of us and future generations.

The reality is that Climategate was a miracle, it provided proof of all the suspicions of fraud that have been held for over a decade.

Altering data, destroying data, failure to comply with court orders to release data, maligning scientists, manipulating the peer review process, fraudulent computer models, conspiring to mislead are just some of the crimes uncovered by Climategate.

The people are waking up, the big money power and their world government plans are on the ropes, I am aware they are discussing laws here and in the UK and US to restrict freedom of speech on the internet over this and other freedom issues, the criminals are running scared, now is the time for the big push for the truth, why we still can.

My respect and admiration to all of those out there who are doing a great job to expose this hoax, here is something to make you smile,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem Glenn, Always happy to make a contribution, particularly when the issue at hand is so important. </p>
<p>I represent myself, as an independent part of the exponentially growing global truth movement. I own a web development company that has been published in Desktop so we get Desktop communications, not sure where it came from, my business partner forwarded the link to the blog post as he knew I like to do my best to educate people on this critical issue.</p>
<p>Yeah, Andrew Bolt and the Herald Sun, I have zero respect for the Herald Sun and previously for Andrew Bolt, but his work on exposing Climategate has been exceptional and when the AGW facade comes crashing down he will have been part of the solution whereby others will be seen to have been part of the problem.</p>
<p>I had a bit of a look at the websites you have put forward; they are childish and use the most basic of deception techniques.</p>
<p>They would if they could, the reason the government is not prosecuting PR companies is because they are not involved. I would welcome it going to court, we need to get all of the facts into the open, all we want is the truth.</p>
<p>The truth movement and the AGW Skeptic movement is not government or corporate funded, it is genuine grass roots as concerned citizens recognise the danger of extreme corruption and the scale of the impact this crime will have on all of us and future generations.</p>
<p>The reality is that Climategate was a miracle, it provided proof of all the suspicions of fraud that have been held for over a decade.</p>
<p>Altering data, destroying data, failure to comply with court orders to release data, maligning scientists, manipulating the peer review process, fraudulent computer models, conspiring to mislead are just some of the crimes uncovered by Climategate.</p>
<p>The people are waking up, the big money power and their world government plans are on the ropes, I am aware they are discussing laws here and in the UK and US to restrict freedom of speech on the internet over this and other freedom issues, the criminals are running scared, now is the time for the big push for the truth, why we still can.</p>
<p>My respect and admiration to all of those out there who are doing a great job to expose this hoax, here is something to make you smile,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dvize</title>
		<link>http://desktopmag.com.au/blogs/climate-redesign-2010-call-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5128</link>
		<dc:creator>Dvize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do thank you Micheal for helping us with Climate Redesign. You are making it clear that a major area of our focus should be to communicate the facts more clearly and  to focus on paid marketers attempts to distort the science and consensus with misinformation. Could you let me know who you are working for to assist us further in developing a strategy to counter paid PR

Your feedback and comments are greatly appreciated.

Now if you were serious about a balanced debate on the facts you would have read  sites like this and stopped pushing fraudulent marketing spin a long time ago.

http://www.grist.org/article/series/skeptics/

http://www.skepticalscience.com/

And quoting Andrew Bolt? Now that lends credibility to your argument. It really does show the depth of your research and understanding of these issues

And if you were serious about the environmental issues you described you would not be wasting your time promoting false science on this issue and acutaly campaining to create change in context to the issues your describe.

I think this debate is a great example of how the Big polluters are using PR companies to pay people to post their agenda throughout he internet. You responded to this article before i even knew it was published. As &quot;design&quot; is not your profession or passion, how could that be?

Well the PR companies are monitoring keywords... this post came up on their filters and off to work Micheal goes...

And for the readers out there, here is another recent example of Paid Sceptic PR (read the comments):
http://the-riotact.com/?p=10315

It is a shame our government is not prosecuting these PR companies and their fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do thank you Micheal for helping us with Climate Redesign. You are making it clear that a major area of our focus should be to communicate the facts more clearly and  to focus on paid marketers attempts to distort the science and consensus with misinformation. Could you let me know who you are working for to assist us further in developing a strategy to counter paid PR</p>
<p>Your feedback and comments are greatly appreciated.</p>
<p>Now if you were serious about a balanced debate on the facts you would have read  sites like this and stopped pushing fraudulent marketing spin a long time ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.grist.org/article/series/skeptics/" rel="nofollow">http://www.grist.org/article/series/skeptics/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticalscience.com/</a></p>
<p>And quoting Andrew Bolt? Now that lends credibility to your argument. It really does show the depth of your research and understanding of these issues</p>
<p>And if you were serious about the environmental issues you described you would not be wasting your time promoting false science on this issue and acutaly campaining to create change in context to the issues your describe.</p>
<p>I think this debate is a great example of how the Big polluters are using PR companies to pay people to post their agenda throughout he internet. You responded to this article before i even knew it was published. As &#8220;design&#8221; is not your profession or passion, how could that be?</p>
<p>Well the PR companies are monitoring keywords&#8230; this post came up on their filters and off to work Micheal goes&#8230;</p>
<p>And for the readers out there, here is another recent example of Paid Sceptic PR (read the comments):<br />
<a href="http://the-riotact.com/?p=10315" rel="nofollow">http://the-riotact.com/?p=10315</a></p>
<p>It is a shame our government is not prosecuting these PR companies and their fraud.</p>
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